Being a Change Leader with Thom Rainer – Selma on Leadership #016

Welcome to Season 1, Episode 16 of the Selma on Leadership podcast. In this episode I am excited to have Dr. Thom S. Rainer, President and CEO of LifeWay Christian Resources, and my co-host Kristen McCall as we hear how he’s lead change over the past 10 years at LifeWay.

Being a Change Leader

In this episode you will learn:

  • How to handle difficult decisions as a leader
  • The one characteristic that a change leader has
  • How little changes in company culture make a big difference
  • That micromanaging communicates to employees that you don’t trust them

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“I think one of the encouragements to the listeners is there are times in our life, for different reasons, we want to quit and we just want to stop leading. Whatever the reason, the courage to step up and lead, and to be a change leader makes you courageous.” —Selma

“To put the [Executive Leadership] team together has been probably one of the most rewarding things. What do I do? I surround myself with people I know who are smarter than I am, wiser than I am, more strategic than I am, and celebrate in their strengths, and just watch them go.” —Thom

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5 Leadership Warning Signs From the Ashley Madison Leak


The devastation from the Ashley Madison hack will be felt for decades to come as families and lives have been torn apart. This past week has been heartbreaking as we have heard story after story of the painful results as names have been revealed. The most painful has been the suicides that have happened leaving families ripped apart with the pain of loss and deception. No words can adequately describe this kind of hurt.

I have heard there are over 37 million names on the “list.” I also know there are names not on this list of people who are also living a lie, hiding truth, and believing they will not be caught.

The Ashley Madison promise was “Life is Short, Have an Affair.” They were right on one point: life is short. But, the brevity of life and the eternity of life must point us to a different way to live, a different way to lead.

I pray we don’t miss one lesson from this tragedy. Not one. I pray God will open our eyes to see and learn.

It is a good time to get honest about our own leadership. Pretending to be someone you aren’t is exhausting and not sustainable in the long-run. At some point, who you really are will be revealed. Are you wearing a leadership mask, pretending to be something you are not?

Watch for these signs that your leadership is in danger.

1. Leadership requires perfection.

In trying to be perfect, you will need relief and often this relief will come in the form of an escape or damaging habit to you or others. You are not perfect. You are human, and you have weaknesses. Whenever you set yourself up to always have it together, you are one step away from danger.

2. You don’t open up to anyone.

You lead a private life and you don’t let anyone in. You feel it is necessary to appear to have it all together. We all need people who will tell us the truth. People who will ask us the hard questions. People who check in on you when you travel. People who you are real with, that pray for you, and that hold you accountable.

3. You consider your time on the Internet private and harmless.

It is just too tempting in today’s world to go to places on the Internet that are harmful to you. You need someone to hold you accountable for all sites you visit and all messages coming in to you. Be open for someone to check in on you. Be open for you spouse to see. Nothing hidden. A private conversation, a private site, an inappropriate inquiry will lead to your destruction and the devastating pain of those you love the most. Run from it. Turn it off. It isn’t worth it.

4. You can’t ask for help.

Don’t let your pride prevent you from asking for help. Whatever pain you may feel from asking for help is nothing compared to the devastation of the pain of living a lie and what that lie will do to crush you.

5. You believe your lie will never be revealed.

It is already being revealed because the lie is showing up in your life. Others may not know yet, but trust me, your lie is having an impact on you and on others. There are plenty of promises in Scripture that truth will be revealed. The mask will come off. The truth will always come out.

We are all broken. There is no perfect leader. Lead as one who understands your weakness and the weaknesses the people you lead. We lead with confidence because our strength comes from God who redeems and restores and makes something beautiful from our lives.

It is a great time for the Church, God’s people, to offer the only relief possible: the unmerited love and grace of a God who can redeem all things and work through all things for His glory. A God who is able to bring healing and forgiveness. This is the amazing truth of the gospel.

Take your mask off and lead as one redeemed by Christ. Lead with confidence in the One who created you, redeemed you, and will complete His work in you.

“I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” -Philippians 1:6



Voices of Wisdom: August 28, 2015


Life Is Eternal. Don’t Have an Affair.—Ed Stetzer

This week, we’ve found that it’s not as simple as would like its (former) users to think. “Life is short. Have an affair.” So they say.

Get caught. Lose your reputation. Lose your spouse. So they omit.

I’ve been told that pastors I know, people in my neighborhood, members of my extended family, and prominent Christian leaders have found out they have been found out.

At the very moment I am writing this, I sit in a group of pastors who have ALL received news that someone they know is on the list.

For many, today, their secret sins are now public information.

10 Descriptors of Bad Teachers and Bad Leaders—Chuck Lawless

Several times in my teaching career, I’ve asked graduate students to give me descriptions of the worst teachers they’ve had. During those same years, I’ve watched leaders, discussed leadership, and read leadership books to learn characteristics of good and bad leaders. Perhaps not surprisingly, I’ve seen that some of the characteristics of bad teachers and bad leaders are the same.

  1. They don’t communicate well. Sometimes they just don’t communicate; they expect others to read their mind and meet their unstated expectations. At other times, they are simply boring when they do try to communicate.

You Are How Much You Work—Dorcas Cheng-Tozun

When friends come to visit, I take them to the San Francisco Bay Area’s must-see spots: the Golden Gate Bridge, Alcatraz, the beaches and mountains—and, more recently, Googleplex, Google’s sprawling 26-acre campus.

Home to 3.1 million square feet of office space and about 20,000 employees, Google’s headquarters has become a tourist destination almost as famous as the company itself. It epitomizes the employee-friendly workplace, with functional benefits like Wi-Fi-enabled shuttles, gourmet meals, and onsite health care, in addition to fun perks like slides and fireman poles, lectures by famous speakers, and funky art installations.

Getting Hired: 3 Lessons From My Wife—Eric Geiger

My wife, Kaye, is an awesome teacher. And I am not just saying that because she is my wife (objective evidence: she was “teacher of the year” when we lived in Cincinnati). She is super-encouraging, creative, and passionate about helping children learn and become who they were created to be. When we started having our own kids, she took time off from teaching to stay home with our girls. But now that our kids are in school all day, she wanted to teach again.

But she only wanted to teach at our kid’s school, and there were zero openings. So how do you get a job at the one place you want to work even if there are no openings? Here are three lessons from my wife.

  1. Be present

Kaye loves the school our kids attend. We love the teachers, the administrators, and the parents. It is our community and we love the people. So Kaye started volunteering several days in the office. She spent two years volunteering before applying for a role.

Humbled By Motherhood—Jena Lee Nardella

Starting a nonprofit to deliver water and AIDS services to more than 1 million people in Africa was the hardest thing I’d ever done. At 22, I co-founded Blood:Water with the band Jars of Clay. Over the past decade, I’ve spent my days on tour buses and airplanes traveling across US cities and African villages, mobilizing people and resources one person and one dollar at a time. That’s all while going through the emotional roller coaster of running a global missions organization: feeling overwhelmed and hopeful and desperate and grateful over and over again.

Then, 16 months ago, I had my first baby. As a new mom, I am starting to suspect that motherhood is much harder. Parenthood, especially in these early months, is all-consuming beyond the demanding work of mission and activism—work that, by the way, hasn’t faded away. I now find myself, like so many moms, balancing the two.

Learn to Delegate with Confidence — Selma on Leadership #015

Welcome to Season 1, Episode 15 of the Selma on Leadership podcast. In this episode, my co-host Kristen McCall and I discuss developing the leadership skill of delegating. Why is delegating vital to your organization’s success? Listen and find out!

Learn to Delegate with Confidence

In this episode you will learn:

  • How you should divide up your time as a leader to build and develop the organization
  • The first question you should ask if you know you don’t delegate well
  • How to get feedback from your team about how well you delegate now
  • What to do if your team doesn’t respect you as a leader

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“I think it’s a leader’s job to give the organization the tools they need to be successful. You should come alongside another leader and help them lead, but one of the key aspects of delegating with confidence is that you care more about tomorrow than you do today. The place where you’ll mess up as a leader is that you want to get it right, right now. The reason you’re a leader is because you probably know how to get it right, right now. You’ve been there, you have more experience, so you could do it better maybe than the leader that you’re developing. You could do it better than the team that you’re developing, but that’s not good for anyone.”

“My goal is really to help my team succeed. The bigger goal is to help your organization succeed, so be very, very, very aware of how you’re doing as a leader in delegating and empowering others, and giving them permission to fail. Give your team permission to do it differently than you would do it. The goal is not to do it the way you want it done, and the short-term goal is not even that you get it done right. It’s more the overall development of your organization and your leaders, both for the short-term and the long-term, and empowerment is one of the best ways to grow and develop.”

“Whenever you admit to yourself as a leader you’re not perfect, there’s something about that in your own development that allows you to give that gift to others. When you empower others, they’re not perfect either. They’re not going to get it all right, and the objective is not to get it all right or to be perfect. The objective is to grow, develop, so that you have a stronger, healthier organization, so don’t be afraid. Ask for help, but lead. Bring the gifts.”

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6 Essentials to Write Your Leadership Story

6 Essentials to Write Your Story

A story is being written right now about your leadership. It is still in draft form but make no mistake about it, it is being written and the people you lead will write it, not you. The final version will be finished the day you step out of your leadership role (revisions are possible but never a total rewrite). Leadership stories will outlive you. They will be the resounding effects of your leadership long after you are gone.

Stories are powerful in any culture, organization, or family. Some stories are wrapped in external factors like the great depression, a natural disaster like a flood or tornado, or a national crisis like 9-11. How a leader responds during a crisis will always be a part of the story.

But most leadership stories are written in the everyday ordinary work of leadership. Your story board might include:

  • The passion of your vision that showed up (or didn’t show up) as real and authentic in how you lead not just for leadership speeches.
  • How you reacted when something failed or didn’t go according to plan.
  • How you responded (or didn’t respond) when a personal crisis happened to someone on your team.
  • The things you said the most.
  • The things that frustrated you most.
  • How you recognized others, developed others, and served others.
  • How your faith showed up (or didn’t show up) in the way you lead.

Do you know the stories being told about you in your organization? Listen and learn.

What is your redemption story? When did you break or mess up or meet life head on? How did God use that to shape you as a leader?

6 Key Elements to Story Development:

  1. Be aware.

What story do you want to be told about your leadership? You turned a profit every quarter? You managed costs well? You grew the church by 10%? Your son was top of his class in science? All of those are great accomplishments and good sidebars to your story but they are temporary wins. Maybe you want the story to be that you invested time in developing people, you listened, you cared, your faith was real, you were there in a crisis, you gave others the credit, and you shouldered the blame.

  1. Ask questions and listen to other people tell their stories.

Everyone has a story to share. This requires you to spend time with people. Your greatest leadership impact, your greatest leadership story will be in the people you poured into. Never forget you are in the people business first.

  1. Share personally.

Don’t run from your story. It isn’t a perfect story and maybe it isn’t spectacular but it is your story and no one else’s. Your story is part of the redemption work of Christ. Your story magnifies His story. In your weakness, God picked you. Your history is part of your destiny. Embrace it. Share it.

  1. Learn to laugh.

You will make mistakes. Humor goes a long way in building trust and humor always makes a story better. Don’t take yourself too seriously. Mistakes are wonderful opportunities to be transformed in His image, to humble us, and to remind us of the amazing gift of grace.

  1. Repetition strengthens any story.

Are your leadership messages repeated? Are there words of wisdom that the organization is owning? Listen to hear and to learn. You know your leadership is making an impact when the organization you lead begins to lead themselves and they repeat your own leadership message and it becomes their own.

  1. Every story has an ending.

Lead with the wisdom to know that your leadership will end and that others will follow. Your story is best told through the lives of those that come after you.

Ultimately, our leadership story will only last if it is packed full of His story, His grace, His redemptive work, His truth. And because His story is life changing, your leadership story matters.

Redemption Story |

“But it is from Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became God-given wisdom for us – our righteousness, sanctification, and redemption, in order that it is written: The one who boasts must boast in the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:30-31 




Voices of Wisdom: August 21, 2015


Lead Well – At Home — by Ed Stetzer

People often ask why I tweet so much about my family. Obviously, I value my wife, Donna, and my three daughters. So I express that in my social media activity.

But once the idea of family comes up, people often ask, “How are you able to take your children with you as you travel and minister?” And, “How do you balance your hectic work/ministry schedule with a healthy family life?”

One great ministry challenge is to serve in a way that values, affirms and protects our children. We talk of burnout with pastors and their wives, but we rarely associate burnout with children. Yet can they not experience the same thing if they are an integral part of your life and ministry? Of course they can.

5 Things I Learned Sending A Son Away To College — by Ron Edmondson

I loved the time with our boys at home. We had great relationships. They were (and are) two of my best friends.

The first son attended a local college and lived at home most of the time. It was a different season, but we still got to spend a lot of time together. The youngest went to school 8 hours from home.

I’ll never forget the feelings of driving away from him freshmen year. Wow! It was painful. I mourned. I cried. It was a deeply sad occasion. If you’re going through that now — I’m praying for you as I type this post.

9 Sins the Church is Okay With — by Frank Powell

I think there’s a lesson [in the Challenger tragedy] for the church. What if the big sins, you know the ones you try hardest to avoid, aren’t the greatest threat to your joy and the church’s mission?

Maybe it’s the sins lying underneath, the ones considered normal or acceptable, the ones going undetected, that are affecting the church the most. I want to address 9 of these sins.

1.) FEAR

The phrases “do not fear” and “do not be afraid” appear 365 times in the Bible. Ironic? I think not. And here’s what I think the church misses about fear. Let me pose this as a question. What is the opposite of fear? Courage? Bravery? William Wallace?

To Live and To Proclaim — by Lindsay Courina

My kids were six months old and three years old when I prayed a powerful, scary prayer one day in my living room: God, use me.

My life was certainly full of good things, which evidenced God already at work in my life, but it felt small. Not because my work as a stay-at-home mom was insignificant, but because much of my life was lived within the safe walls of our church and home. And although on one level I felt I couldn’t take on more than keeping my home, loving my husband, nursing an infant, and disciplining a toddler, my heart cried out for something more, and I found myself whispering that prayer.

God, use me.

Brothers, Serve in the Nursery — by Samuel Emadi

Six months ago I volunteered to do a stint as an assistant teacher in my church’s two-to-three-year-old Sunday school class. My main motivation for volunteering was to help my son adjust to the class. I hoped my presence would calm his fears and within a month or two I’d be able to quietly slip away. He made the adjustments just fine, but six months later I still found myself serving in this capacity. I entered the situation assuming I was simply helping my son make some adjustments in his life. It turns out God was helping me make some adjustments in mine.

Cultivating Pastoral Character   

As I’ve observed, many seminary students and other brothers aspiring to pastoral ministry are always on the lookout for opportunities to serve in the church. Regrettably, I think sometimes we have our sights set on only one type of service—public teaching. Of course, nothing is necessarily wrong with desiring to exercise your gifts, putting them under the evaluation of the church, and cultivating pastoral skills for future ministry. The problem is that many aspiring pastors fall into the trap of thinking this only happens by engaging in the adult teaching ministry of the church.


Why You Need Mentors — Selma on Leadership #014

Welcome to Season 1, Episode 14 of the Selma on Leadership podcast. In this episode, my co-host Kristen McCall and I explore why having a mentor and being a mentee is so important to your development plan. Mentorship is such an important part of our relationship journey, because it helps us both develop ourselves and we’re developing others as well.

Why You Need Mentors in Your Life | Selma on Leadership Podcast

In this episode you will learn:

  • How mentoring is richer and deeper than simply taking a course or reading a book
  • Why you need to think outside the box for who could be a valuable mentor
  • That mentorship goes both ways: you need mentors and mentees in your life, older and younger
  • How to initiate a mentorship relationship

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“Don’t just think about where you are today and what you need to grow, but think outside the box. Go learn a discipline that is not even in your wheelhouse right now. It will make you a better leader because of it.”

“Look for those people that have gifts, competency, and experience outside of your experience set and make sure they’re on your list. Also, look at those who are younger than you that have a whole different experience in the world and learn from them too. Be willing to learn. Be willing to learn and grow.”

“You have a purpose and you have a mission to fulfill in that. You want to grow to reach your full potential. You’re only limited in the sense that you stop taking initiative.”

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Celebrating Dad’s 90th Birthday in Alaska

Celebrating Dad's 90th Birthday

I believe in long range planning. I know, I know. I have heard the arguments on why it doesn’t work any more: the speed of change, the need for agile adaptive planning, real time learning, etc. I agree with these current realities, but unless you lead with a clear and compelling view of the future, you may move but never arrive.

I have used the tools of planning in my personal life for years (note the post on how Rodney and I do our planning retreats) and recently had the joy of celebrating the priceless experience of reaching a goal.

My Dad turns 90 this November. A couple of years ago, I asked him to share some ideas about some places he would like to go. In that conversation, he told me he had always wanted to go to Alaska. That conversation lead to two years of planning that ended in an amazing land and sea experience with the beautiful state of Alaska. I have a lifetime of stored memories with my Dad. Priceless.


Here area a few leadership takeaways:

1. Take the time when you have the time.
My Dad turning 90 was the driver for this trip. I am so thankful I decided to take Dad’s dream to go to Alaska and make it happen. The memories are priceless. We took the time and made the time for the trip.

2. A view of the future really does matter.
You have to stop, ask questions, and think beyond today. The work of today is overflowing but it is critical that you step out of today and think about the years to come.

3. Planning makes things happen.
I met with people who had gone to Alaska, I did research on Alaska, I met with a travel agent to plan the right trip for my Dad to make sure he had a full Alaska experience. We had to make some reservations over a year out. There were several key decision points that we made together but it required lots of action steps to put the full trip together.

4. Life and work goes on without you.
Taking off for two weeks is a big deal but you will quickly learn that life moves on without you.

5. The pause is good.
It was good to let my body and my mind adjust to a new pace. We slept a little later. We weren’t rushed. We went at Dad’s pace which is a little slower. It took a few days to totally unwind but it felt so good.

6. God is bigger than you.
Alaska is such a huge state – the mountains, the lakes, the glaciers, the whales, the rainforest, the eagles, and so much more. The majesty of God is expressed through His creation. It is good to soak it in and to be in awe of the creator.

7. It’s the people always.
The people of Alaska were beautiful, warm, and friendly. I loved hearing their stories of family and life. They love their state. Many had traveled from other parts of the world for a visit, fell in love with Alaska, and returned to live. It was a special blessing to see churches throughout our visit and to even step in one doing a summer program for children.

If I hadn’t planned for it, this trip wouldn’t have happened. I don’t know how many more years I will have time with my Dad but I do know the memories of reading scripture, praying, talking, laughing, being in awe of the beauty of Alaska, and just being together will have an impact on me for years to come.

One day, we looked out over the beauty of the snow covered mountains ofAlaska and we read David’s prayer in 1 Chronicles 29:

“May You be praised, Lord God of our father Israel, from eternity to eternity. Yours, Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the splendor and the majesty, for everything in the heavens and on earth belongs to You. Yours, Lord, is the kingdom, and You are exalted as head over all. Riches and honor come from You, and You are the ruler of everything. Power and might are in Your hand, and it is in Your hand to make great and to give strength to all. Now therefore, our God, we give You thanks and praise Your glorious name.”

Have you taken time to slow down this Summer and/or celebrate with those you love? I’d love to hear! Comment below!


Voices of Wisdom: August 14, 2015


Sex Is More and Less Important Than You Think — by Trevin Wax

“Sex is everything,” goes the idea in the 21st century. “And sex is nothing.”

This paradoxical view of sexuality in our society requires a paradoxical response from the Church. Our Christian witness must “put sex in its place” – meaning, we will need to take sexuality more seriously and less seriously than the rest of society.

For the Single Mom Who Feels Invisible — by Lori Harding

Next Sunday as you take your seat at church, scan the pew. Do you see her?

She’s the one holding three jobs, despite being racked by the pain of abuse. Or the one overcome with shame from having a child out of wedlock. Or the one who entered the US illegally for a better life, though she still lives in poverty. The one widowed with four children. The one who was raped or trafficked, and kept the child. The one who never dreamed she’d be divorced.

America is home to approximately 15 million single moms. A recent Census Bureau report states that a quarter of US kids are being raised without a father, and half of those live below the poverty line.

Four Warning Signs You Are Not Listening to Your Team — by Eric Geiger

Wise leaders listen to the people they lead. They recognize they are finite in their knowledge and wisdom, don’t have all the answers, and benefit from the minds of those they serve alongside.

It is foolish to not listen to those on your team. Not only do you lose the benefit of their collective wisdom and experience, but also you simultaneously devalue individuals and harm the culture of your team. Here are four warning signs that you are not listening to people on your team:

1. You sense a lack of ownership.

If you sense those on your team do not “own” an initiative or a direction, it is likely because they do not feel it is “theirs” to own. If they were handed an edict without speaking into it, they may execute but they often execute without conviction.

Self-Care and Self-Denial — by Amie Patrick

The topic of self-care, particularly as it relates to physical and emotional health, has long confused and challenged me as a Christian. While I’ve deeply resonated with much of the common sense in the philosophy of self-care, other aspects have troubled me and seem completely incompatible with Christianity. I couldn’t agree with Scripture and at the same time agree with arguments encouraging me to pursue a self-focused, indulgent, comfort-based lifestyle. On the other hand, I heartily agreed in principle with discussions of self-care as stewardship. Still, I usually came away with more of a sense of heavy obligation than of freedom and gratitude. I often saw God as an auto mechanic pacing around, irritated and inconvenienced by my failure to get my car in for regular maintenance.

5 Lessons from 5 Years of Managing Remote Workers — by Eric Siu

I’ve been working with remote employees for years, and because of the great experiences I’ve had, I’m not surprised to see the statistics that describe how beneficial this arrangement can be:

• Remote workers spend 9.5 percent more time working than their office-based counterparts and are 13 percent more productive.

• Remote workers are more engaged and more committed to their work.

• Nearly six out of 10 employers claim that the cost savings associated with remote workers are significant.


How to Foster Friendship in Marriage – Selma on Leadership #013

Welcome to Season 1, Episode 13 of the Selma on Leadership podcast. In this episode, my fabulous husband Rodney joins us and we discuss the importance of friendship in marriage with my co-host Kristen McCall. Are you friends with your spouse? Sharing friendship with your partner provides companionship. Listen in as we discuss ways to cultivate it so that intimacy can be greater within your own marriage.

How to Foster Friendship in Marriage

In this episode you will learn:

  • Why friendship gives some color to marriage
  • How to cultivate friendship with your spouse if you aren’t the best of friends right now
  • The importance of guarding against inappropriate relationships
  • Why you both need to be independent before coming together as friends

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“One of the things you don’t want to miss in marriage is the joy of being together. So many couples do. They get so busy making a living they forget to have a life. Friendship is something that makes life much more colorful, much more fun. It’s just enjoying each other’s company. Friendship is critical and it’s a gift that we have from God. We don’t have to choose: we can have sexual intimacy, spiritual intimacy and we can also have friendship with a marriage.” — Selma

“You’ve got to guard your emotional intimacy. I have a lot of relationships with men, but I don’t share emotionally with other men. I’m not going to share my heart with other men. I’m going to guard that for Rodney. Scripture talks about guarding your heart, and so I do think you need to be very conservative in those relationships. It’s not going to hurt anything.” — Selma

“Life is hard and in terms of its unpredictability and insecurity and all that kind of stuff. You need that partnership, that friendship together, but the fun you have there can really take the edge off of the stress. Raising kids is hard. It’s fun in itself, and it’s a joy, and worth it — but it’s hard work. Marriage itself is hard work, so some of the fun stuff you do, the friendship you share together takes the edge off that together and keeps you focused on each other.” — Rodney

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